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2023 Niro EV Wind, anyone know if there's a default speed where the parking brake does not engage?

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Recently picked up a new 2023 Niro Wind EV. The odds of accidentally hitting the "P" button in the center of the drive mode wheel in the middle console is low, but it is something I do worry about. Wouldn't take much for it to accidentally get pressed, dropped on, or something set on while driving since it's very exposed. Not so worried about the lever since it requires more force.

Some vehicles state that the electronic parking brake will not engage at speeds over 5 mph, pretty much any speed could be catastrophic! The owners manual talks about it in several places but it does not mention any speed, it just says if engaged while in motion could cause loss of control. I messaged KIA directly and they only responded with the same information that's in the users manual, they said only a technician would have further information. Anyone know the minimum speed for parking brake engagement?

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This is something I don't plan on testing, but the worrisome side of me does wonder if I should cover it with something to make it more difficult to engage, especially when driving with passengers. Seems like a design flaw that should be placed somewhere a bit harder to reach or have a safety lock.

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i know it doesnt answer your question but i have noticed that the car has to be completely stopped before i can shift from reverse to drive or drive to reverse. seems like they put some effort into at least THIS area of keeping the drive system safe. i wasnt worried at all about it until i read this thread lol.
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i know it doesnt answer your question but i have noticed that the car has to be completely stopped before i can shift from reverse to drive or drive to reverse. seems like they put some effort into at least THIS area of keeping the drive system safe. i wasnt worried at all about it until i read this thread lol.
Sorry about that! :ROFLMAO: I may just keep a thick piece of cloth like a hot pad nearby to cover it when I remember or when having passengers with purses or bags. You're right though, software is pretty advanced these days, I would imagine they addressed it, but I'd still like to know if there's a threshold. Someone mentioned a video of a guy driving a Sportage on the freeway and pressing it with nothing happening, can't imagine how bad that would damage a car, but even at a few miles per hour it would be pretty rough.
As @XMXER51 says, you have to completely stop to shift from R to D or vice versa and I would assume the same is true for P
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Do you really need to know the minimum speed or just that hitting it accidentally while moving won't be problem? Generally it should work 'at speed' as an emergency brake, but only if held down.
Do you really need to know the minimum speed or just that hitting it accidentally while moving won't be problem? Generally it should work 'at speed' as an emergency brake, but only if held down.
No it should not work as an emergency brake.
The car has an electric e-brake for that purpose and yes, it will work at speed as well.
pretty sure car will ignore stupid actions. It's all software anyways :)
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The owner's manual has a section answering these questions starting at page 23 including that the brake pedal needs to be pushed for manual operation and how to use it as an emergency brake.

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The original post in this thread mentions "parking brake" but that was actually a misnomer because @SamPham is concerned about "P" in the middle of the drive mode wheel.
"P" and "EPB" are not the same thing (not even close). I doubt that "P" will engage while the vehicle is moving.
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P just engages the parking pawl in the transmission or what ever the term is in an EV, right?
EPB just electronically engages the parking brake on the rear wheels, right?
The owners manual page 6-6 is rather vague/confusing "when the vehicle is above a certain speed the gear does not shift to P (park) when the [P] button is pressed...Shifting into P[park] while the vehicle is in motion may cause you to lose control of the vehicle". The answer to @SamPham 's concern is on page 6-10, in order to shift into park or neutral from drive, the brake pedal needs to be depressed to shift into neutral or park. No need to build a cage over the selector.
P just engages the parking pawl in the transmission or what ever the term is in an EV, right?
EPB just electronically engages the parking brake on the rear wheels, right?
You are correct on both counts!!
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The owners manual page 6-6 is rather vague/confusing "when the vehicle is above a certain speed the gear does not shift to P (park) when the [P] button is pressed...Shifting into P[park] while the vehicle is in motion may cause you to lose control of the vehicle". The answer to your concern is on page 6-10, in order to shift into park or neutral from drive, the brake pedal needs to be depressed to shift into neutral or park. No need to build a cage over the selector.
I agree completely. @SamPham does not have to worry about inadvertently engaging the "P" feature.
The owner's manual has a section answering these questions starting at page 23 including that the brake pedal needs to be pushed for manual operation and how to use it as an emergency brake.
I stated in the original post I've seen that all in the manual and even talked with KIA, but it does not give a specific speed, just says the driver will lose control. Also not concerned about the lever as it takes some force to pull or push, just the "P" button in the center dial since it wouldn't be difficult to mistakenly engage, for example... say grandma drops her purse, phone or drink on it. Not sure if P and EPB function the same in drive mode, they are two different switches.
pretty sure car will ignore stupid actions. It's all software anyways :)
You can't stop grandma or grandpa from accidentally dropping her phone or setting something down on top of it, unfortunately software isn't able to process that yet, maybe next generation AI.
I stated in the original post I've seen that all in the manual and even talked with KIA, but it does not give a specific speed, just says the driver will lose control. Also not concerned about the lever as it takes some force to pull or push, just the "P" button in the center dial since it wouldn't be difficult to mistakenly engage, for example... say grandma drops her purse, phone or drink on it. Not sure if P and EPB function the same in drive mode, they are two different switches.
I still think there is some confusion in replies for this thread.
"P" and "EPB" are not the same thing.
"P" is just like the park that has been part of auto transmission cars for a very long time. On previous cars, it was a pawl that contacted a gear in the transmission. It is probably still the same with the Niro.
"EPB" is the electronic brake which takes the place of the former parking brake, whether hand operated in the console or foot operated at the bottom left driver's side floor area.
If granny drops something on the EPB, nothing will happen. If granny drops something on the P, I am confident nothing will happen. The brake pedal has to be pressed to engage "P"
I wonder if when you talked to Kia, you called the "P" in the centre of the dial the parking brake and they (correctly) misunderstood your question.
While I have never tried pressing the EPB while driving (at any speed), I again am confident that it will work as a normal "emergency brake" but because it is electronically controlled there will not be loss of control of the car. If Kia stated that there will be loss of control they are wrong, wrong, wrong.
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As noted in KiwiME's reply and this image from the manual (also mentioned in other places in the manual) it says engaging the EPB at normal speeds can cause a sudden loss of control of the vehicle. More like catastrophic damage. 😳 The way it's referenced certainly does make it seem that P and EPB are two separate functions. Not even wondering about the EPB lever, it would take a lot of force to engage, plus if I recall you have to pull up on the lever to engage, while pushing down disengage.

Anyways, it's really a simple answer to a simple question. Other automakers make it clear, KIA, not so much.

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As noted in KiwiME's reply and this image from the manual (also mentioned in other places in the manual) it says engaging the EPB at normal speeds can cause a sudden loss of control of the vehicle. More like catastrophic damage. 😳 The way it's referenced certainly does make it seem that P and EPB are two separate functions. Not even wondering about the EPB lever, it would take a lot of force to engage, plus if I recall you have to pull up on the lever to engage, while pushing down disengage.

Anyways, it's really a simple answer to a simple question. Other automakers make it clear, KIA, not so much.

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Oh, I certainly read that and Kia has to say that to cover their butt. EPB and P are not the same thing - not even close.
The parking brake (EPB) is also the emergency brake and on older cars, engaging the emergency brake and locking up the rear wheels at speed could cause loss of control.
On today's high tech/computerized cars, you can engage that EPB and it will stop the car quickly and safely - the computer will make sure of that. If you car still has the lever that you pull up on the console, do so with caution. If it has the EPB switch, the computer will make sure you don't cause damage - never catastrophic.
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@SamPham I am not sure you read post #11 completely. Pressing the P on the console will NOT shift the transmission into PARK unless the brake pedal is depressed. I think many are overthinking this--totally understand that process--received the "wait, I need to overthink this" t-shirt for my last birthday.

The electronic parking brake engages the rear brakes--just like the mechanical parking brake levers or pedals that other vehicles have, it has nothing to do with the transmission. The P shift button, just like any other P whether it is a dash lever, floor console lever, or steering wheel column lever is used to shift the transmission into "park". These are two independent actions/mechanisms.
The owners manual page 6-6 is rather vague/confusing "when the vehicle is above a certain speed the gear does not shift to P (park) when the [P] button is pressed...Shifting into P[park] while the vehicle is in motion may cause you to lose control of the vehicle". The answer to @SamPham 's concern is on page 6-10, in order to shift into park or neutral from drive, the brake pedal needs to be depressed to shift into neutral or park. No need to build a cage over the selector.
the 2023 EV that the OP ownes can be shifted to neutral from drive and back at any speed.
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