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I get horrible gas mileage on my Niro. All winter long it was 29-38 MPG. ... I drove from Omaha to Oklahoma this weekend and averaged 39.

Which Niro do you have? The Touring edition is only supposed to get 42 mpg overall (if I am remembering correctly), so 39 is within striking distance of that, and not too terrible. But if you have one of the "lower-end" models like me (an EX, in my case) then you definitely should be getting higher mpg.
 

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I get horrible gas mileage on my Niro. All winter long it was 29-38 MPG. The ONLY reason I bought the Niro was because of its alleged good gas mileage. I have a 60 mike commute to work. I’ve complained over and over to the dealer and the dealer does and says nothing. It was good for the first 2 months. I drove from Omaha to Oklahoma this weekend and averaged 39.
How fast do you drive?

What is your driving profile?

I get in the mid 30s mpg if I drive in sport mode, 45 to 65 otherwise.
 

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I've been having trouble posting my Niro on fuelly. I do have my HHR on there. I don't know what the problem is and I haven't gotten back to it. I really do want to post because I am averaging 55 to over 60 miles per gallon.
 

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I added my Niro to my Fuelly account when I bought it, but since I haven't added any gas yet it still show 0.0 MPG. Based on what I'm seeing on the dash readout, it might be some time before I have to add gas. It's reporting 120 MPG average since I drove it home a few days ago, and the gas gauge is still pegged on full. Since the entire drive home from the dealer was on EV, it said 999 MPG. I can get used to numbers like that! :)
 

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How do you add the Fuelly linked image to your signature?
When you log into Fuelly, then select your car, scroll down towards the bottom. Right under the logbook there's a bunch of page links. Click "Badges" and you will be given both BBCode and HTML for either the large or small sig line image. I believe this site uses the BBCode style.
 

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Thank you! Now I just need to add gas for the first time so I can get my average off of 0.0. Doing a 400 km trip today, so that should get ride of some gas.
What I did was show a fillup on the day I bought the car (the dealer did give me a full tank), just showed 0.1 gallons added, and entered the odometer reading for when I accepted delivery. Close enough to start the tracking. :D
 

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Thanks to you folks whom posts on Fuelly, I now have a 2019 S Touring. I was expecting 45mpg based on the average # but I have achieved 51.4 on my first tank. Hybrid is definitely good for commuting on "busy" roads like DC traffic. I am sure interstate driving in 70-80mph will substantially reduce MPG but I am a happy camper comparing to by previous RX350 that averaged 19-20mpg. and range close to 500 miles is what I like the most about my Niro.
 

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I am sure interstate driving in 70-80mph will substantially reduce MPG but I am a happy camper comparing to by previous RX350 that averaged 19-20mpg. and range close to 500 miles is what I like the most about my Niro.
I took a freeway trip from the Seattle area to Ellensburg and back, about 250 miles total. This included crossing two mountain passes each way, and I maintained about 70-75 MPH where the speed limit and traffic permitted. I was also using the Sport mode, which reduces MPG slightly while putting a little charge back into my PHEV battery. My MPG for the entire trip was about 52, so I wouldn't expect a major impact with yours. My son-in-law has an Ioniq hybrid, which is roughly the same powertrain as the Niro hybrid. With his heavier throttle foot, he still sees about 55 MPG, and I've taken his car to work a few times and got about 62 MPG. The Niro is extremely efficient. :D

Yeah, I was staying in Chantilly for about 4 months a couple of years ago. Spent plenty of time on I-66. Having a hybrid will absolutely be worthwhile there! ;)
 

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My MPG for the entire trip was about 52, so I wouldn't expect a major impact with yours.
Misleading to quote trip mpg for a PHEV. The Touring S is rated 46 city and 40 highway. He exceeded that primarily because he was not on a highway trip and had his first tank at the best possible ambient temperature. He will be fortunate indeed to get 40 mpg at 75 mph in any season.
 

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Misleading to quote trip mpg for a PHEV. The Touring S is rated 46 city and 40 highway. He exceeded that primarily because he was not on a highway trip and had his first tank at the best possible ambient temperature. He will be fortunate indeed to get 40 mpg at 75 mph in any season.
I dunno, it's pretty easy to beat the EPA ratings. I took a trip from DC to Charlotte NC and averaged ~50mpg for the trip. Started with a full charge but didn't plug in during the trip. In this case the PHEV battery was essentially dead weight for about a week. Still returned excellent mileage. As ever, YMMV. :D
 

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No matter the environmental or driving style for your trip to NC, you still got a "free" equivalent to a little more half gallon of gas for charging just once. Take that away, and your mpg is lower. Your round trip is about 750 miles. 30 miles of plug in juice represents about 4% of total energy. So if your figure of 50 mpg is accurate, you only got 48 mpg in hybrid mode. I get about 57 mpg in my HEV in the summertime (if no inclement weather or unfavorable wind).
 

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No matter the environmental or driving style for your trip to NC, you still got a "free" equivalent to a little more half gallon of gas for charging just once. Take that away, and your mpg is lower. Your round trip is about 750 miles. 30 miles of plug in juice represents about 4% of total energy. So if your figure of 50 mpg is accurate, you only got 48 mpg in hybrid mode. I get about 57 mpg in my HEV in the summertime (if no inclement weather or unfavorable wind).
Sure, but you just made my point for me. The EPA rating for the PHEV is 48 city / 44 highway. Even accounting for starting with a full battery I beat that by almost 10%. And that's pure 100% 65+ mph miles with a lot of 70+ thrown in for good measure. Plus, I wasn't deliberately trying to maximize efficiency, I was just going with the flow of traffic. So my initial comment stands. It's pretty easy to beat the EPA estimates.
 

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Misleading to quote trip mpg for a PHEV. The Touring S is rated 46 city and 40 highway. He exceeded that primarily because he was not on a highway trip and had his first tank at the best possible ambient temperature. He will be fortunate indeed to get 40 mpg at 75 mph in any season.
Since virtually the entire trip was in HEV mode, I think I'm being pretty accurate. It was only 3 miles to the freeway from home, when I first switched to HEV mode. Also, since I stayed in Sport mode the entire way, that most likely had a slight negative impact on the economy as well. Those numbers are based on the dash display just before I switched back to EV mode once I was close enough to get home in EV. I was just below 50 MPG until I started down from the top of Snoqualmie Pass, so I did get some regen there, same as a HEV would. It dipped below 50 again when I was climbing Tiger Pass, and again picked up a little going back down. ONce I did some more driving around town, I took another trip yesterday that also exceeded my EV range. I had to fill it again this morning, and my total tank was 67 MPG, so I didn't get much benefit from the plug-in portion on this tank.
 

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Since I cannot get 67 mpg in my lighter HEV (max for me is 57 in optimal conditions) clearly it is your plug in miles getting you there. If you think otherwise, stop plugging in for a few tanks and test your belief.
 

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Since I cannot get 67 mpg in my lighter HEV (max for me is 57 in optimal conditions) clearly it is your plug in miles getting you there. If you think otherwise, stop plugging in for a few tanks and test your belief.
Again, that's what we're talking about, HEV mileage in the PHEV. I'm not saying that the 250mpg I got on the last tank is meaningful in terms of HEV efficiency. What both @atc98092 and I are saying is that when driving the PHEV in HEV mode on long trips without charging it's quite possible to exceed the EPA estimated mileage. Are we going to get results comparable to the FE model? No, of course not, we are carrying the extra weight of the PHEV battery plus other differences that impact mileage. What we can do, and have done, is easily and significantly exceed the 44mpg highway rating for the PHEV. I think we've both demonstrated that high 40's are achievable over long distances. Is that a lot? Depends on your point of view. 10% seems pretty good to me.

Look, you are easily exceeding the EPA estimates for your model. Some of that is due to your mods, some due to your driving style, and some due to the conditions you generally drive in. A lot of the same variables apply to everyone else. I regularly beat the predicted mileage for my completely un-modded 2001 VW TDI. The EPA estimate is 42 city / 49 highway. I average mid 50's in mixed use (the fact that a 2018 vehicle with the advantage of complex hybrid technology basically equals the performance of a 2001 car is a discussion for another day). It's nothing special, just my use case and driving style let me do better. The same applies to my Niro, whether in PHEV, EV, or HEV mode.
 

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atc's original post was to an HEV owner trying to reassure them about efficiency. Let me make this super simple: any reported mpg by a PHEV owner is simply a reflection of how often they charge and is misleading to any HEV reader (and PHEV owners as well). Completely meaningless.

Mpg reports by hybrid owners are already subject to lack of relevance to other owners as they seldom mention the underlying variables such as: temperature, inclement weather, wind, terrain, and speed. Nor often whether they top off, or fill to "first click" at random pumps, or even if they are reporting estimated mpg or calculated mpg. Multiply those variables by random charges of PHEV owners and you can see the problems of quoting PHEV "mpg". I understand you are proud of your "mpg", I have a PHEV owning friend who touts her "mpg" no matter how many times I tell her it is irrelevant. Kind of like a BEV owner saying his mpg is really high. Mpg just doesn't mix well with kWh except for the most calculating of PHEV owners with charge stations and spreadsheets to back them up.

Yes, my own peak mileage is also irrelevant, but at least I do calculate mpg and mention optimum conditions. I do not exceed EPA rating easily (or at all) at zero degrees Fahrenheit. I also do not exceed EPA ratings in rain no matter the temperature. Currently my lifetime 24,000 mile average is a bit over 52 mpg, slightly exceeding EPA ratings. That could be relevant to other users in the same climate zone as me, and is what is important, not single trip mpg.
 

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My MPG over the last 12MO is ~ 7000miles / 10 gal = 700 MPG.

Just means >90% of my miles are in ev mode using wall plug energy.

I don't bother to post on fuelly.
 
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