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I was driving a chevy volt. I think the volt is awesome but since I'm not sure I'll have a plug available to me in the next year or so I decided to get a non plug in. Plus the rear seat is a joke. These are my initial impressions after 2 days and they will be mostly based on my experience with the volt. I got touring with advanced.

Visibility in the front is very good. I feel I can see much better than the volt. At night the HID lights do a very good job.

The tires of the touring are grippier, it handles better than the volt, but it doesn't coast as well probably due to the tires. Wish I could have gotten the 16in ones for better mpg. I'll probably buy the smaller rims and more low resistance tires when these are used up cause to switch them now would only save like $50-100 a year.

If you drive in the eco range you will definitely get the rated MPG.

Interior is roomy for the size of the car.

No usb or seat warmers in the back seat. But there is a standard plug for like a computer which is nice.

Back seats have very good leg and head room.

The coasting guide, part of eco-das, which is activated when you use the in car GPS, I have not had any recommendation to let off the gas in the trips I've had home. I don't really know when this activates.

Love apple car play integration and even when only activated via bluetooth the siri activation via a long press of the voice recognition button works very well.

I like that the mirrors open and a small led light up when you get close to the cars. It's very inviting.

Volt automatically locks the doors when you leave the car, wish the Niro had this feature.

I wanted a power lift gate, but after testing it out on another kia and compering it with the manual lift gate, I like the manual better it seems much faster.

I wish they gave you the option of no sunroof and smaller rims for the top end version.

I like that the parking sensors show you if the instruction is in the center or more to the side.

When I'm coasting and slowing down and right before a complete stop (usually because the light has turned green), it sort of has a weird transition, it feels like a jerk, it does this sometimes. I've found I either have to come to a complete stop or accelerate more slowly to avoid it. Maybe it has something to do with the hill assist feature.

I wish the instrument cluster on the right for speed was digital. I understand it looks better with the instrument cluster on the left and right, but the analog mph is just a waste in my opinion, a big digital one would have been better. However, you can see mph in a digital screen in the center.

I don't like that the trip computer doesn't give you MPG for that specific trip. You'd have to reset the MPG counter.

I don't know if you can do this but I wish I could see the map and another screen like the eco level screen or mpg screen side by side, right now I can see the map and the radio/music etc side by side. Not sure if this can be changed.

When using the cruise control it maintains the designated speed even when going downhill, in the volt it wouldn't slow the car. I prefer the Kia way.

Rear windows came tinted which I totally liked.

Noise buffering is better on the 2014 volt.

I oddly like that the hand break thing is a foot break now.

I like all the physical buttons. It was such a pain to raise/lower the temperature on the volt. I like the driver only climate function.

If I had better coasting tires I think I could get 50mpg in city driving.

Rear backup camera is good, an audible sound can be heard outside when backing up for pedestrians. I think this is a good feature.

No integrated garage door opener which surprised me. But a multi one cost me 24 dollars on amazon so it isn't a big deal.

Rear view mirror has less visibility than my volt, it's narrower. Doesn't auto dim.

The sun visor can be moved, you know for when you move the visor towards the window and you need it to block further away from the front. Maybe this is confusing but when I realized this I smiled.

This is my first Kia so I don't have experience with uvo yet.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.
 

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Congratulations and thanks for the break down comparison to the Volt. Don't think it really needs any USB in the rear seat as it's typically used for phone chargers anyways and why not just plug the whole thing in... better convenience ;) The lack of seat warmers does feel like a little lacking but hey... I'll be driver anyhow so... not my issue ;)
 

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Thanks for the notes, fernando. ECO-DAS is supposed to improve gas mileage by giving the charging system the ability to see the terrain ahead. For example, if you're approaching a mountain pass, the charging system can see this and fully charge the battery as you approach, then ration electric boost all the way to the peak, then recharge on the way down to whatever level is appropriate. Without ECO-DAS, the charging system would be blind to the pass and maintain about 50% charge as you approach (because it has to make room for charge if you brake), then it would run out of electric boost way before the peak because it has no idea how to ration the charge. ECO-DAS would be a big benefit to my driving since I'm mostly on the road and sometimes climb steep grades. Have you tried ECO-DAS? Done any FE comparisons with and without ECO-DAS?

It's a shame that feature is avail only on the touring trim.
 

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Part of the eco-das is the coasting guide I did turn that on. It tells you when to let off the accelerator based on topography if you're above 37mph and you're using the Nav. I have not been able to get it to engage. I think for it to know when to charge etc, the navigation has to be turned on. The manual makes no mention of "eco-das" just coasting guide. So I have not been able to compare it.
 

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The navigation definitely needs to be turned on for it to as it seems, read it on C&D. The system utilizes the navigation and cruise-control system to determine topography and actively manage energy flow :)
 

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The local dealer has two Niros in stock; both black--one an LX and the other an EX. I stopped by today to have a look at the LX. They are larger vehicles than I imagined and much uglier in the metal than the photos suggest. I really liked the way I fit in the Niro. I'm 6'3" with 36" inseam and there was plenty of headroom and legroom for me in the driver's seat. Back seat was very good in this respect also. Visibility was good all around and the mirrors are well placed and give a good backward view. The back seats folded down easily and there's plenty of room to throw a bicycle in the back without taking off the front wheel. Fit and finish inside and out are outstanding. The only negative is that's it's double butt-ugly--especially the wheels. I didn't drive as I'm waiting for the Ioniq before I do comparison drives. It's good to know that I could be happy with the Niro if I crashed my car today.
 

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No auto-dim mirror? That's a shame. Most offer this option and are not always part of a package but as a separate option. Are you sure they didn't offer it as a separate option? I really like this feature as it dims just enough and not overly so like the manual. Is there a compass anywhere?
 

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I also drove a Niro today. It is pretty ugly, drove just fine. Pretty hard to see out the back, good thing for the backup camera. Interior is real nice (touring). Really poor selection of ugly colors I would choose white $395 cost. Overall not too impressed for over $31,000. I think there is better choices for me out there. I would love the 50 mpg but I think I can spend $8-$10,000 less and get at least 40mpg.
 

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No auto-dim mirror? That's a shame. Most offer this option and are not always part of a package but as a separate option. Are you sure they didn't offer it as a separate option? I really like this feature as it dims just enough and not overly so like the manual. Is there a compass anywhere?
The Nav has a compass and one of the center instrument cluster windows you can choose also has a compass. I'm not sure if the instrument cluster is available in trims with no navigation. As of right now there is now option to purchase an auto-dim mirror. I was hoping to purchase an auto dim mirror with garage link but I was told that isn't an accessory yet. It might me later on.

I also drove a Niro today. It is pretty ugly, drove just fine. Pretty hard to see out the back, good thing for the backup camera. Interior is real nice (touring). Really poor selection of ugly colors I would choose white $395 cost. Overall not too impressed for over $31,000. I think there is better choices for me out there. I would love the 50 mpg but I think I can spend $8-$10,000 less and get at least 40mpg.
If you get the basic Niro it gets 50mpg and is around 23k. Is there another new car that gets 40mpg+ combined for 20k-23k other than a prius? The rear center seat has a head rest, I had to lower it to the lowest level and that somewhat improved rear visibility, but the rear camera is definitely a must I think. I didn't like the pearl effect of white in the sun. The paint sort of sparkles, if it was just straight white, I would have picked that color.
 

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The Nav has a compass and one of the center instrument cluster windows you can choose also has a compass. I'm not sure if the instrument cluster is available in trims with no navigation. As of right now there is now option to purchase an auto-dim mirror. I was hoping to purchase an auto dim mirror with garage link but I was told that isn't an accessory yet. It might me later on.



If you get the basic Niro it gets 50mpg and is around 23k. Is there another new car that gets 40mpg+ combined for 20k-23k other than a prius? The rear center seat has a head rest, I had to lower it to the lowest level and that somewhat improved rear visibility, but the rear camera is definitely a must I think. I didn't like the pearl effect of white in the sun. The paint sort of sparkles, if it was just straight white, I would have picked that color.
I could live with 40 mpg highway on the Honda Fit. Fully loaded with leather $21,000
 

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The 2018 Hyundai Elantra GT just introduced at the Chicago Auto Show today looks pretty good to me. It has a similar shape to the Niro but more station-wagon like. Turbo-charged, it should get great mileage.

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/2018-elantra-gt/index.aspx
That does look pretty good, Hyundai have never been known for outstanding mpg though. Besides they had to glue that Nav/Stereo unit on top of the dash like they forgot to put it in before it went out the door.
 

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That does look pretty good, Hyundai have never been known for outstanding mpg though. Besides they had to glue that Nav/Stereo unit on top of the dash like they forgot to put it in before it went out the door.
That I agree with for sure... but don't they all look like iPads/Tablets glued to the center of the dash or put there with some sticky double sided 3m tape?! ;)
 

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The 2018 Hyundai Elantra GT just introduced at the Chicago Auto Show today looks pretty good to me. It has a similar shape to the Niro but more station-wagon like. Turbo-charged, it should get great mileage.

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/2018-elantra-gt/index.aspx
Well that's to be expected given that they sit in segments that are neighboring each other.

What would be a surprise if there are similarities between the Elantra or Niro to one of the new Genesis sedans.

Similar segments almost always have similar things going on, just how it works especially with a car maker like Hyundai. No need for special treatment here.
 

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I am somewhat encouraged when looking for a Niro that I am seeing $2,000 off sticker. There could be one in my future.
I paid 322 over invoice or about 1400 off of sticker. I didn't qualify for any of the graduate, military, uber incentives, and I bought 1 of 2 Niros the dealership first got. So as they start getting more in stock it should be easy to pay close to invoice or under it.
 

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I hope I can find such a deal. My two Kia Dealers are really small and both are 70 miles away in the opposite direction. I might have to travel to find a deal. I did see a FX in Florida selling for $18,800.
 

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Will be curious what others are paying out the door. Especially those with touring w/tech package which is what I'm interested in. Most current Kia models rank poor for their headlights. Hoping the optional HID lights will be better. With the car being so new, I doubt one would get much of a good deal. The way the dealers are talking, they say we have names on them before they roll off the trucks. And they are eager to get a deposit. No thank you. That's what concerns me...so new...no discounts. Hoping I can ask for a good deal so that I can get it out on the road to help them sell more but they make it sound that they don't need help since "so many" people are calling them to ask when it's coming in and buying them before they even test drive! Sales...gotta love em...NOT!
 

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Will be curious what others are paying out the door. Especially those with touring w/tech package which is what I'm interested in. Most current Kia models rank poor for their headlights. Hoping the optional HID lights will be better. With the car being so new, I doubt one would get much of a good deal. The way the dealers are talking, they say we have names on them before they roll off the trucks. And they are eager to get a deposit. No thank you. That's what concerns me...so new...no discounts. Hoping I can ask for a good deal so that I can get it out on the road to help them sell more but they make it sound that they don't need help since "so many" people are calling them to ask when it's coming in and buying them before they even test drive! Sales...gotta love em...NOT!
I bought a dark grey Touring w/advanced package, carpet mats, net, and added mud guards. Here are my numbers. I bought the first one they sold. Don't listen to them, offer them your price if they say no walk away. And in a month or so I'm sure I could have paid less, but I needed the car.

MSRP 32720
Invoice 30964
I Paid 31286
 

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How do you feel about the rather large blind spot in the back? That tiny window serves no purpose and there is a huge pillar in the way looking back plus the headrests are in the way even when all the way down. I will be using the BSM system a lot more.

I also noticed that the front seat headrests do not lock down when in the lowest position and seem rather tall. They can slide up (wonder if they are made that way on purpose). I noticed in the crash test that it rode up rather high...what's the point of that if you come back after going forward and the headrest is now too high and your head doesn't find it?

I forgot to ask if the dark gray is a pure gray meaning that if in other kinds of light do you notice it turns another color or it is pretty much that color no matter what kind of light it's in?
 
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