The car has an on-board L1/L2 charger. You are referring to the EVSE. So, they don't include an EVSE with the car? I'm surprised. Anyway, you can find dozens of 120v EVSEs online, such as at Amazon. The only one that I absolutely advise staying away from is anything from MUSTART (not sure if that's spelled correctly). Far too many reports of burned connector pins.

Remember that with a Level 1 (120v) EVSE, you're only going to be able to add around 5 miles of range per hour of charging. An almost completely drained battery would take more than two days to recharge. Unless you rarely drive more than 40 miles per day, you need something faster.

Your Niro can charge at 32 amps with a Level 2 EVSE. That requires a dedicated 240v/40amp circuit. Charging at that speed you will get about 26 miles of range per hour of charging. For most people, that's more than enough for virtually all driving. If you want to save some money, and can live with a lower miles per charging hour, 16 amp Level 2 EVSEs are much less expensive and also has a lower cost to add the wiring for the outlet. At 16 amps you'd still add about 15 miles of range per charging hour, so it would add 120 miles of range in an overnight eight hour charge. Unless you drive more than that every day, the 16 amp EVSE would likely be all you ever need. However, it's always nice to have one that can charge faster than the bare minimum, so a 32 amp EVSE might be the more practical choice.

 

The car has an on-board L1/L2 charger. You are referring to the EVSE. So, they don't include an EVSE with the car? I'm surprised. Anyway, you can find dozens of 120v EVSEs online, such as at Amazon. The only one that I absolutely advise staying away from is anything from MUSTART (not sure if that's spelled correctly). Far too many reports of burned connector pins.

Remember that with a Level 1 (120v) EVSE, you're only going to be able to add around 5 miles of range per hour of charging. An almost completely drained battery would take more than two days to recharge. Unless you rarely drive more than 40 miles per day, you need something faster.

Your Niro can charge at 32 amps with a Level 2 EVSE. That requires a dedicated 240v/40amp circuit. Charging at that speed you will get about 26 miles of range per hour of charging. For most people, that's more than enough for virtually all driving. If you want to save some money, and can live with a lower miles per charging hour, 16 amp Level 2 EVSEs are much less expensive and also has a lower cost to add the wiring for the outlet. At 16 amps you'd still add about 15 miles of range per charging hour, so it would add 120 miles of range in an overnight eight hour charge. Unless you drive more than that every day,

I also have a 2023 Niro EV. I thought it could handle 40 amps on level 2. This is what the dealer service told me.

 

On the website it looks like they do come with a charger. Says something about in the cable control box. Did you check the frunk, the plastic bin under the front hood ? It may be in there, inside a black bag with a zipper. If not they are only about $150 on amazon, most all EV's use the same charger besides Tesla. I only paid $149 for a 16A L2 charger on amazon warehouse (like new, box has been opened).

But yes, you don't really want to use on a L1 charger for an EV, on a PHEV it's ok. If you drive more then 35-40 miles, or 20-30 in cold weather, per day you won't be able to fully charge again overnight.

 

The 2023 models do not come with the charger cord. The dealer told me Kia was no longer adding them in.

 

That is ridiculous.
I wonder if the same is true for the PHEV?

 

I know Tesla has stopped providing a 120v EVSE with their cars. I think that's short sighted to not provide a EV with some method of charging.

 

I can understand 120V for EV not being feasible and therefore, don't include that cable but no doubt, not providing a 240V cable is simply saving the company money.
Almost have to have a cable purchased before you get the car - does not make sense to me.

 

I guess if someone really wanted an original Kia charger they could get one on ebay for $200-300, many people never use it since they got a better charger installed. I even have one in a box I never use since we have a L2 charger at home and at my work.

 

I agree with you but it just seems absurd that an EV would be sold without at least a 120V cable for charging. No doubt an owner would tire of the length of time required to charge and upgrade to level 2 at their own expense.

 

Have been using the Schumacher SC1455 level 1/2 device with our PHEV for almost 7 months (the KIA one is stored by the tire mobility kit in the back)--has worked well. Do not have 220V outlets in garage and for the PHEV I don't think it is worth the expense of having a dedicated 220 line installed.

Now if we had an EV that would be another story. If one couldn't get a 220V line or a hardwired charging station installed (in our city one needs to have solar installed for a wired station to be installed and permitted), then the only choice would be to use a level 1 120V charger at home. If one lived in places like apartment buildings, condos, or rental homes there really is no option to add 220 lines. In order to put significant mile range in the EV, one could find a level 3 charger for a fairly quick "fill", or if one is lucky plug into a level 2 charger at work. Getting by with just a 120V level 1 charger would be very difficult for an EV owner unless it is used for short commutes/daily outings that can be covered by an overnight charge.

Not sure how things will work logistically if every vehicle is required to be an EV--how can the vehicles that are parked on the street get charged without creating a trip hazard? In our community there have been quite a few charging cables stolen from vehicles parked in driveways that were being charged by exterior power outlets.

 

for the PHEV I don't think it is worth the expense of having a dedicated 220 line installed.

I disagree. Since most of our trips (other than a work commute) were usually a 5-10 mile hop with some time between another hop, using an L2 charger kept my PHEV in EV mode the majority of our driving. Not quite enough EV range for my commute (no work charging), and certainly not enough for any sort of road trip. But for the common daily trips around town, my experience was that the L2 charger ensured I had enough EV range for almost everything.

Remember that the PHEV only has a 16 amp on-board charger, so there's no need for a $500+ EVSE and an electrical circuit sized for it. Adding a dedicated 20 amp 240v circuit would likely cost very little, especially if you know someone that is capable of installing it for you. I just added a 50 amp circuit for a friend that just bought a Tesla M3. He was using 120v to charge it, but was always needing to hit a Supercharger, so he needed the extra speed. I believe the entire cost for him (not including the permit, I didn't ask him what that cost) was under $200, with the most expensive part ($125) being the 50 amp GFCI breaker. A 20 amp breaker would cost less than that (maybe $90), and the proper wire size would be much lower as well. Total hardware cost for a 20 amp circuit (with the correct outlet) would probably be about $125 total.

 

My 23 Niro PHEV had a level 1 charged included with the car when I bought it

 

Good to know they are still providing the cable with the PHEV

 

Cool, so they did boost the on-board charger to 48 amp. That's what my Bolt has, but as I mentioned I only have a 40 amp EVSE. And if you notice on the chart you provided once you go above 40 amps your EVSE has to be hard wired. There are one or two 48 amp units that still have a plug, but it's not per code, so it's best to just hard wire them.

If someone already has a 40 amp EVSE, I personally don't feel the need for the slight increase in charging speed to move to a 48 amp unit. Cost jumps as you increase the speed, so look at what one really needs. I would be fine with a 16 amp EVSE on most days, but I'm happy with my 40 amp unit.

So, your dealer is mostly correct. Yes, it can handle 40 amps. But it can actually handle 48 amps, so I'm only giving the dealer half points.

 

Cool, so they did boost the on-board charger to 48 amp. That's what my Bolt has, but as I mentioned I only have a 40 amp EVSE. And if you notice on the chart you provided once you go above 40 amps your EVSE has to be hard wired. There are one or two 48 amp units that still have a plug, but it's not per code, so it's best to just hard wire them.

If someone already has a 40 amp EVSE, I personally don't feel the need for the slight increase in charging speed to move to a 48 amp unit. Cost jumps as you increase the speed, so look at what one really needs. I would be fine with a 16 amp EVSE on most days, but I'm happy with my 40 amp unit.

So, your dealer is mostly correct. Yes, it can handle 40 amps. But it can actually handle 48 amps, so I'm only giving the dealer half points.

I’m going to go with plug-in and 40 amps. 30 mile range per hour is good for me.

 

You have to be a bit careful and know your plug type.

Kia used to come with a cheap 10amper, a 'normal' L1 is a 15amper and that can blow fuses in most apartments.
10amp is a normal plug but is very slow like 5 mile per hour charge. On a 200 mile EV that's 2 days.

I use a MEGEAR from amazon but it's a 16amper. (It's also dual voltage)

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Playing devil's advocate here, but isn't an Electric vehicle that comes without a charging cord pretty similar to a ICE-engined vehicle coming without a can(or cans) of gasoline? Since without special equipment the Electric vehicle cannot reasonably be operated from only that charging cord, just as the ICE vehicle cannot reasonably be operated only from a supply of gasoline cans? Not quite apples and apples, but in both cases, to get full use of your vehicle, it is expected you will be refueling at service stations for much/most of your travels.

 

Well it's like why don't Apples come with charging plugs anymore...to save money.
I didn't say it makes sense, I just roll with it.

 

My 2023 PHEV included a Level 1 charger. As suggested in one of the earlier responses, it was in the small lift-up trunk compartment in a black bag. Works great and has a selectable amperage output.

 

I would have been shocked if the PHEV didn't come with one. It makes the PHEV far less practical a choice if it isn't easy to charge.

 

@atc98092 Dan, nice pun! It also doesn’t make sense for KIA not to include a charger with the 2023 Niro EVs. Did the OP ever find the charger or contact the sales manager? Would be nice to get follow up from the OP.

 

With EVs, the manufacturers appear to be thinking that every owner is going to have their own home EVSE, so why provide one? Tesla has stopped providing them. Now Kia (which makes me think Hyundai is probably doing the same). I haven’t heard of any others, but then I’m not watching other brands too closely, other than the Bolt. So far GM is still providing an EVSE, and the EUV comes with a dual voltage 32 amp unit (it’s an extra cost option on the EV).

 

I can confirm, I was surprised and disappointed when I picked up my new 2023 Niro EV yesterday, at a dealer in metro Detroit, that no EVSE was included. It looks like a portable one would fit nicely in the frunk, but right now there’s just an empty space there…

 

I ended up buying one from Amazon
Lectron is what I bought.

 

Which model Lectron did you buy?

 

The 23 EV came with V2L adapter, and no portable charge cable. The V2L adapter is pretty neat and I was playing around with the other day. First I tried a trouble light in the garage, then I tried charging a lawn tractor battery with the V2L adapter for just a minute or two for a test. It worked great. I'm trying to think of all the possibilities.

But the dealer was dumbfounded. He said the V2L adater was the charger and I probably had to go to the home store and buy an extension cord to make it work. The fool.

For my portables, I bought a cheaper LVL 1/2 from Amazon then went up to the orange home store and bought the NEMA plug ends and made my own adapters. I got about $200 invested in that portable. No lost sleep if someone steals it, and I use it on my "other brand" PHEV.

For my second potable, I know "Dan the Bolt guy" said stay away from the Mustart portable, but I had good luck so far with that one. The different NEMA adapters are available pre-made, and it seems to be a more robust connector. It costs way more, but so far satisfied.

For the garage, my choice was a company in CA. They seemed to be the most helpful and you could actually talk to someone on the phone. Prices were good too. The first thing I didn't want is an expensive internet connected charger in the garage when I can get all that info from the car or my cell phone. I just wanted a top quality charger.

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Lastly, I just scored a Tesla Tap for a super low price on "Flea-bay". I'll post a link from Amozon but I paid less than half. There seems to be a couple more Tesla Destination charger available around. Plus, I see Tesla owners using the J1772 plug with their adapters at the mall. So now they can look down their noses at me when my lowly Kia is using one of "their" chargers.

https://www.amazon.com/TeslaTap-Mini-J-1772-Adapter-TTMINI80/dp/B098BLLS/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3P9QFMHPWAU0T&keywords=tesla+tap&qid=1671506663&sprefix=tesla+tap%2Caps%2C162&sr=8-4

Oh, the fun we are going to have as we all fight for that last available charger.............

 

Many cars (not just EVs) are leaving out spare tires for a couple of reasons. One is weight, as reducing weight improves overall efficiency. The other is mainly cost. They aren't providing the spare tire, wheel and jack, so saves them money. Not that it reduces the price of the car, it's for their pocketbook.

 

Adding a Level 2 EVSE doesn't have to be expensive. Almost any home can add a 20 amp circuit to their existing panel, and that provides 16 amps of Level 2 charging. And for most drivers, an overnight charging session will easily fill the battery at that power level. 40+ amp circuits aren't a requirement, except perhaps for someone that drives for Uber/Lyft and needs to charge as quickly as possible.

 

A level 1 charger is not going to be more than an emergency thing - 45 hours to charge is just not feasible.
The level 1 charging cable comes with all 2023 - 2024 Niro EV's in Canada.

 

We bought a 2023 Niro Wave in September 2023 and it came with the 120V charging cable.

A level 1 charger is not going to be more than an emergency thing - 45 hours to charge is just not feasible.
The level 1 charging cable comes with all 2023 - 2024 Niro EV's in Canada.

Yeah, we are waiting for an electrician to come and install a 220 volt line in our house. For now she charges it at the parking ramp near where she works in Buffalo NY. I just hook it up overnight to add a few miles. We are getting a Nema 6-50 receptacle. I decided not to get the Nema 14-50 outlet since we don't need the120 volt for any appliances.
Can I use the cable that came with the car?

 

I am not understanding your last question.
A 6-50 and 14-50 are basically the same thing except the 6-50 does not have a neutral wire. A stove is the classic example of a Nema 14-50
I had an electrician install a 14-50 and I love it.
You can't use the cable that came with the car for either the 6-50 or 14-50. It is for 120V use only.
You realize that with either a 6-50 or 14-50 you will still need to purchase an charging station that can connect to the new receptacle?