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FUELLY for 07-27-20 (last fill up 07-01-20, not going much with the Virus) at 37,601 miles for 433 miles and 8.673 gallon at $1.549 (ahd $0.25 off at KROGER) per gallon for 49.9 MPG. About average MPG for this NIRO and our use. It has been in upper 70sF to mid highs in 90s for awhile.

Typical county roads at 35 to 55 MPH and some local town/city miles, mostly RT of 14 to 18 miles for groceries.

NIRO is a 2017 EX Model with Sunroof Safety Pkg.

PS: Other that the jerkyness (whatever you call it) and fact paid too much for the car (price was $27,999 after discount in FEB 2017), I LIKE THE CAR. Just saying that price vs some other vehicle for say $25,000, I will never make up the difference in gas mileage. And, considering the issue of depreciation as battery ages (not be able to sell it), -- it's not a good investment.
 

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Fuelly for 07-27-20 traveled 1,582 KM from last fuel up. Average 2.3 L/100km (102 MPG)
2020 Niro PHEV

I have round trip of 114 km a day to work. I charge at home and the office.
This fuel.y included a drive to cottage that was 400 KM.
 

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Discussion Starter · #163 · (Edited)
FUELLY for 09-01-20 (last fill up 07-27-20 - not going much with the Virus) at 37,601 (EDIT -- was 38,087 miles) for 486 miles and 9.594 gallon at $1.749 (had $0.25 off at KROGER points) per gallon for 50.7 MPG. About average MPG for this NIRO and our use. It has been in mid 80sF to mid highs in 90s for awhile.

Typical county roads at 35 to 55 MPH and some local town/city miles, mostly RT of 14 to 18 miles for groceries.

NIRO is a 2017 EX Model with Sunroof Safety Pkg.

PS: Other that the jerkyness (whatever you call it) and fact paid too much for the car (price was $27,999 after discount in FEB 2017), I LIKE THE CAR. Just saying that price vs some other vehicle for say $25,000, I will never make up the difference in gas mileage. And, considering the issue of depreciation as battery ages (not be able to sell it) -- it's not a good investment.
 

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PS: Other that the jerkyness (whatever you call it) and fact paid too much for the car (price was $27,999 after discount in FEB 2017), I LIKE THE CAR. Just saying that price vs some other vehicle for say $25,000, I will never make up the difference in gas mileage. And, considering the issue of depreciation as battery ages (not be able to sell it) -- it's not a good investment.
That really depends on what MPG your previous car was getting. Not counting my drop in driving because of COVID, my gas bill dropped about $150 per month with my PHEV. Even adding in the $15 per month I was paying to charge it (so $135 per month savings), coupled with a monthly payment that is $130 per month lower, so I made up the difference between the HEV and PHEV in less than a year, so I'm well ahead of where I was. True, I'm leasing, so there's no concern about trade-in.

But I wouldn't be concerned about any battery aging in a HEV. The battery is simply not stressed at all in a HEV vehicle. It does not charge or discharge rapidly, which is what impacts battery life the most. Even my PHEV doesn't stress the battery anything like a BEV does. You can look at many of the early model Prius, and they are still doing fine with their battery after 10-15 years. There's a company that uses Teslas for shuttle car work, and they use the high speed Superchargers constantly. Even after 300,000 miles their battery packs are still between 80-90% capacity, other than a couple that were replaced under warranty. While a Kia and Tesla are not completely comparable cars, there still appears to be a strong market for used hybrids and EVs. The cars themselves depreciate faster than a normal car (again except for Tesla), but that's more because the technology is moving so fast that the older cars just have far less capabilities.
 

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FUELLY for 09-30-20 (last fill up 09-01-20) - not going much with the Virus) at 38,606 miles for 519 miles and 10.003 gallon at $1.709 (had $0.25 off at KROGER points) per gallon for 51.9 MPG. About average MPG for this NIRO and our use. It has been in mid 80sF for awhile.

Typical county roads at 35 to 55 MPH and some local town/city miles, mostly RT of 14 to 18 miles for groceries.

NIRO is a 2017 EX Model with Sunroof Safety Pkg.
 

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Course it depends on what car you compare it to, how much you drive it, etc. You compare it to a gas guzzler (15 to 20 MPG) and drive 20,000 a year and gas is $3.00 a gallon, it makes sense. .

My comments regarding value or investment of a NIRO VS some other car (equivalent in size, etc.) were based on MY Use and the Type Car I would buy VS the NIRO.

BTW, my previous car was a NISSAN Rogue, 2012 model. Think averaged 25 MPG (30 MPG Hwy).

I am saying in terms of gas saving per month, year, or life I own a car, the NIRO for me compared to a car equivalent in size and performance that gets say 25 MPG to 30MPG is not a smart move (AGAIN FOR ME).

We have had the NIRO since Feb 2017 - til now (end of Sept). is 44 months and have 38,606 miles last fill up. That is 877 miles per month.

877 miles divided by my NIRO average 50 MPG = 17.54 Gallon /// 877 divided by 25 MPG = 35.08 Gallon

So, saved 17.54 gallon per month x Price per gallon (varies over that time - estimate average about $2.35 per gallon = $41.22 saved per month.

10 years (I seldom keep a car 10 years) is 120 months = $4946.28 Saved on Gas.

Figure I paid $27,999 Vs say $20,999 (or a bit less or more) it's not a good decision. That is $7000 more plus tax on that $7000 (here is like near $700 added).

Assuming amount lost on depreciation is the same (% wise) for either car over 10 years then it is not a $7700 difference (loss). Just what else could be done with the $7700. I do think a NIRO will depreciate more due to the battery situation ( 10 years for 1st owner, and 6 years for 2nd owner - so sell it in 6 years to someone that will have no warranty). I would not buy it without consideration for the cost of a battery replacement).

Anyway, financially it is not a wise decision for my situation. However, I wanted the car at the time and sometimes WANTS are NEEDS. :). Just saying if I had it to do over now, I would not buy it considering jerkiness (mine is not real bad and I live with it - apparently they can't fix it anyway), extra maintenance things like actuator clutch fluid, etc. Not that I take it in for stuff (maybe my warranty is now voided).
 

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FUELLY for 10-19-20 (last fill up 09-30-20 - not going much with the Virus) at 38,606 miles for 491 miles and 9.3 gallon at $1.749 (had $0.25 off at KROGER points) per gallon for 52.79 MPG.

A little above average MPG for this NIRO and our use (maybe becasue wife filled the car and I usually top it off a bit more that she does). It has been in mid 70s to 80sF for awhile.

Typical county roads at 35 to 55 MPH and some local town/city miles which are mostly RT of 14 to 18 miles for groceries, etc. However, had one road trip (180 miles) partly Intestate and partly HWYs at 50 to 60 MPH.

NIRO is a 2017 EX Model with Sunroof Safety Pkg.
 

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FUELLY for 11-24-20 (last fill up 10-19-20, not going much with the Virus) at 39,572 miles for 475 miles and 8.824 gallon at $1.629 per gallon (MURPHY was cheaper than Kroger by $0.02 even with a KROGER $0.15 discount). So, 53.8MPG.

A little above average MPG for this NIRO and our use. It has been in mid 60s to 70sF for awhile.

Typical county roads at 35 to 55 MPH and some local town/city miles which are mostly RT of 14 to 18 miles for groceries, etc.

NIRO is a 2017 EX Model with Sunroof Safety Pkg.
 

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FUELLY for 01-14-2021 (new year and hope better than 20-20). Last fill up 11-14-2020 0-19-20 at 39572 miles (not going much with the Virus). So, 453 miles and 9.5 gallon at Kroger for $2.009 per gallon with a $0.25 grocery customer discount. So, 47.7MPG .

A little lower than average MPG (50 + a little average) for this NIRO and our use. It has been colder (number of days in the 30s and 40s).

Typical county roads at 35 to 55 MPH and some local town/city miles which are mostly Road Trips of 14 to 18 miles for groceries, etc.

NIRO is a 2017 EX Model with Sunroof Safety Pkg.
 

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FUELLY for 02-26-2021 (last one was 01-14-2021 -- not many miles, 476, for a month and 14 days). So, 476 miles and 9.802 gallon at Kroger for $2.249 per gallon with a $0.25 grocery customer discount. So, 48.6 MPG.

A little lower than average MPG (50 +) for this NIRO and our use. It has been colder (number of days in the 20s and 30s).

Typical county roads at 35 to 55 MPH and some local town/city miles which are mostly Road Trips of 14 to 18 miles for groceries, etc.

NIRO is a 2017 EX Model with Sunroof Safety Pkg.
 

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Have 3 fill ups over period from 04-03-2021 (start of trip) to 04-11-2021 (end of trip). So on 04-03-21 stopped about 35 miles into a 928 mile trip to top off at Odometer reading of 40947. So was 441 miles and 8.7 gallon for 51.3 MPG is about average for this car.

Had been mostly normal local county roads at 35 to 55 mph and some city town since 02-26-21 (last fill up) and about 35 miles of Hwy at 65 MPH.

NIRO is a 2017 EX Model with Sunroof Safety Package.
 

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This was a road trip of mostly 55 to 75 MPH and included from a fill up on 04-03-21 to Charlotte, NC overnight and then to Lealand, NC on 04-04-21 for a fill up at 41,340 miles or 446 miles and 7.23 gallon for 54.2 MPG.

So, all Hwy mileage at 55 to 75 mph.

NIRO is an EX with optional sunroof pkg.
 

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Finally the return trip from Leland, NC included a couple nights at Holly Springs, NC and then home from there. All was Hwy at 55 to 75 MPH.

Fill up was at a Walmart about 15 miles from home on 04-11-21. Total gas was 9.95 gallon (including three gallon at $2.599 in NC after left Holly Springs and 6.95 gallon at $2.549 near home). Odometer at 41,820 miles for 480 miles and 9.95 gallon = 48.2 MPG.

NIRO is an EX with sun roof option.
 

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What is your current lifetime average Paul? My 2018 LX has the same 42,000 miles and is sitting at 52.99 mpg every drop counted. I'm north of you (presumably colder year round) but I limit my top speed to 65 mph so that could be a wash.
 

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What is your current lifetime average Paul? My 2018 LX has the same 42,000 miles and is sitting at 52.99 mpg every drop counted. I'm north of you (presumably colder year round) but I limit my top speed to 65 mph so that could be a wash.
Shows as 50.4 MPG on my posts (Fuelly Calculated AVE). Other than that, I don't keep a total miles AVE of MPG.
 

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So last Fill-Up at home from a trip to NC was 04-11-2021 and mileage was 41,820 miles. Fill-Up today, 05-10-21, was at 42,246 miles for 426 miles and 8.122 gallon for 52.4 MPG.

A bit over my Running Average of 50.4 MPG and shows we don't drive much (426 miles in a month). This month was primarily local county roads at 35 to 55 MPH and some City / Town driving.

NIRO is a 2017 EX with the Sunroof Pkg.
 

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Last Fill-up was 05-10-2021 at 42,246 miles.

Fill-Up today, 06-11-2021 was at 42,752 miles for 506 miles and 9.20 gallon for 55 MPG.

Some over my Running Average of 50.4 MPG and shows we don't drive much (506 miles in a month). Better than average -- maybe cause warm summer or my wife filed it and she does not top as much as I do?

This month was primarily local county roads at 35 to 55 MPH and some City / Town driving.

NIRO is a 2017 EX with the Sunroof Pkg.
 

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Last Fill-up was 06-11-2021 at 42,752 miles.

Fill-Up today, 07-13-21 was at 43,285 miles for 533 miles and 9672 gallon for 55.1 MPG.

Some over my Running Average of 50.5 MPG (per Fuelly AVE). Also, shows we don't drive much (533 miles in a month). Better than average (last fill up at 42,752 miles was also 55MPG). Maybe cause warm summer days?

This month was primarily local county roads at 35 to 55 MPH and some City / Town driving.

NIRO is a 2017 EX with the Sunroof Pkg.
 
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