So you think I will get Better mileage than 50-60mpg in hybrid mode?Closer to specified efficiency versus real world results. Looking around at numbers on Fuelly, the fewer miles reported, the more skewed the results are. However, better mileage will come mostly from better driving practices, not engine "break in". That doesn't do much on modern cars or motorcycles for that matter. Engines are built to far higher tolerances that previously.
Oh, ok. Well I was very specific that I was only referring to the mpg in hybrid mode. Using mpg when part of the drive was in EV is a meaningless number that just looks nice. By that metric I'm getting 270mpg, so, meaningless.Unlikely. But many PHEV owners are reporting mpg of over 70 depending on how often they charge and how long their trips are. If all your trips are limited to 20 miles and recharged fully afterwards, you could easily get over 100 mpg total. Toss electricity costs into total fuel costs and you will end up way ahead with that driving pattern.
But PHEVs are the result of incentives for buyers and regulations on total fleet mileage for manufacturers. When those go away, so will PHEV's. No one will want to pay the extra real cost over a hybrid, or the total lifetime savings on an EV.
Well put...I'm staying the Hybrid route again for at least thru my 3 yr. lease term. I don't think I'll buy into the PHEV form factor until it offers at least 60 miles per charge and even better if they can figure out how to make the regen aspect work towards charging the EV battery as it rolls thru it's use cycle. Otherwise the extra weight isn't really worth it. BTW I'm getting 48+ mpg on my new '18 Touring Niro. Impressive to me. Beats the snot out of my '15 Ford C-Max where I could only get 42+ mpg. Oh and no range anxiety on a pure Hybrid...there's still gas everywhere.So the answer to your question is that the Niro PHEV gets worse mileage than the Niro hybrid when the extra plug in power is exhausted. That is reflected in the lower EPA ratings. There are some who buy the PHEV simply because it was cheaper than the HEV after rebates and don't plug in. Negative environmental benefit. You can call such statements my opinion if you want to. It costs a lot more to make PHEVs, and you likely would not have bought one if it cost you (depending on where you live) say $5,000 more than the HEV. Pretty hard to pencil out. $5,000 buys a lot of gasoline. Again, manufacturers basically have to make them due to government regulations. Not much of a market there for them otherwise.
Glad it is working for you, at the taxpayer's expense. I could also point out that many Americans, myself included, would get no tax rebates from purchasing a PHEV as we don't make enough - it is not a refundable tax rebate. So in that regard, it is a regressive tax that benefits wealthier Americans at the expense of lower wage earners. Opinion? Sure! If you want to call it that.
Huh? I didn't say one word about PHEV owners and they got a great deal. I was ranting at government interference in the marketplace. You must agree that is a distortion. Would you pay $5,000 more than the hybrid if you didn't get subsidies? Personally, I really did not want the extra 300 pounds and the PHEV would have done me more harm than good on my cross country trips, but believe me, had I been eligible for subsidies, I probably would have ended up with one. That's market distortion.What a welcoming post.
Hopefully all PHEV owners see how you feel about them and avoid this place. Thanks for showing me what type of people this forum is actually filled with.