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Hello fellow Niroites. I’m new to the flock and have recently purchased a 2017 Niro PHEV (ex fleet as had 30k on the clock). My reason for opting for the PHEV is that I am largely an urban driver (based in SE London UK) and 95% of my journeys are local. School run. Shopping etc. However, I am surprised to find that on a full battery the engine still fires up most mornings. I was aware that the engine may kick in to contribute to heating etc. but it’s even running when I stop at the lights, pedestrian crossings etc. Even a modern frugal petrol car would cut the engine at a standstill. Is this normal when the car is on its first outing of the day??
 

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Possibly it is normal. As you may know the engine is how the cabin heat is developed. If your outside ambient temperature is below your cabin temperature setting the engine will run to heat the coolant to develop heat to bring the cabin up to temperature. This is normal behavior for the car. There really is no way around this if you wand to keep your windshield from fogging up and to keep your passengers comfortable.

Fully charge your vehicle then monitor the overall trip mpg while driving. If within its electric range it should be well over 100 mpg. Your fuel efficiency is the best indicator that everything is working as expected.
 

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Thanks for that... I will keep track of the MPG on short trips around town and see how it goes... Enjoying everything else about it though!
 

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Also, if your car has them, the heated seats and steering wheel are great and at least for short trips allow me to keep the heat off even when it's around 40F / 4C.
 

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The only way to ensure the engine doesn't come on is to turn the HVAC off completely. Otherwise if there's a call for heat, the engine starts regardless if the car's moving. However, when it does fire for heat, it runs at near idle and doesn't propel the car at all. So you still see outstanding MPG numbers as long as you keep moving. At a standstill, your MPG will drop, same as any other ICE car that isn't moving.
 

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Hmm. Just drove 1 mile to the station without any heating or AC. Engine noise all through the 5 min journey even once parked at station. MPG 31.5... 😕
 

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Nope. Definitely in standard EV mode. What a pain. Thankfully purchased through a main KIA dealer with full guarantee etc. Still deeply frustrating though... Will let you folks know what they say! Thanks for your posts.
 

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Hmm. Just drove 1 mile to the station without any heating or AC. Engine noise all through the 5 min journey even once parked at station. MPG 31.5... 😕
One last thing that came up in another thread. There is an Auto Defog feature that could be the culprit. That will turn on if the car senses moisture in the cabin air to prevent window fogging. That would result in a call for heat as well even if the HVAC was off.

I love a lot of the tech features of the Niro but the needlessly complicated HVAC control system is not one of them.
 

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One last thing that came up in another thread. There is an Auto Defog feature that could be the culprit. That will turn on if the car senses moisture in the cabin air to prevent window fogging. That would result in a call for heat as well even if the HVAC was off.

I love a lot of the tech features of the Niro but the needlessly complicated HVAC control system is not one of them.
If that is the case, the way around it (besides turning it off which isn't a good idea if your windows are starting to fog) is to set the temperature to low. But you will get cold are defogging your windows.
 

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Nope. Definitely in standard EV mode. What a pain. Thankfully purchased through a main KIA dealer with full guarantee etc. Still deeply frustrating though... Will let you folks know what they say! Thanks for your posts.
Are you certain you didn't have HEV mode engaged? It's the button to the left of the shift lever. That makes the car drive as a conventional hybrid.

I've just never encountered the ICE starting in EV mode with no heat demand, with the one exception of going down a long hill with a completely full battery. Then the engine will start to provide some engine braking down the hill. But that's the only time I've ever had the ICE fire up without calling for cabin heat.
 

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Hello fellow Niroites. I’m new to the flock and have recently purchased a 2017 Niro PHEV (ex fleet as had 30k on the clock). My reason for opting for the PHEV is that I am largely an urban driver (based in SE London UK) and 95% of my journeys are local. School run. Shopping etc. However, I am surprised to find that on a full battery the engine still fires up most mornings. I was aware that the engine may kick in to contribute to heating etc. but it’s even running when I stop at the lights, pedestrian crossings etc. Even a modern frugal petrol car would cut the engine at a standstill. Is this normal when the car is on its first outing of the day??

Welcome to the forum! All of the responses before mine seem on target to me, although I'm surprised that no one has yet suggested that you check the instrument cluster to see what your estimated EV range is. Obviously if it's near zero, that would be a reason for the ICE to engage.



Also, you mentioned that yours is a 2017 PHEV and that you are in the UK. We have folks from all over the world here but most of the active posters on this forum seem to be from USA and Canada. So far as I'm aware, the PHEV didn't become available in North America until model year 2018. So there might be some differences about your PHEV that many us are not acquainted with. There is another Niro forum for the UK and you might find people on that one who are more familiar with your particular model. You can find it here: https://www.niroforums.co.uk/
 

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Thanks for all of your helpful posts... Seems it’s quite a learning curve with all the tech/fuel combination etc. I drove the car a couple of times this morning with the HVAC/radio/infotainment completely off and guess what? NO engine at all. I was definitely in EV mode with full charge before but seems any extra energy demand other than propulsion will get the engine twitching to fire up on a cold morning. Fingers crossed all is ok. Just need to get used to a very new operating system. Nothing wrong with a complex personality eh? Just a question of getting to know the quirks...
 

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Don't sweat the entertainment system. That would never cause the ICE to start just by using it. It of course uses energy that comes from the battery, but it would take a very long time for the radio alone to drain the traction battery. Naturally, the tiny little 12v battery the PHEV uses can be drained quickly, which is why the car will warn you not to use the accessory position for very long.
 
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