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So I've got my eye on a 2017 SX Touring regualr hybrid the dark green/blue model. It's got 30,000k and the price is right 25,000ish (CAN).


But I gotta ask, did this whole engine jerking chugging issue get worked out? Clearly this seems like a small amount of vehicles are having this issue but I'd still like to know.



Currently I drive a Prius 2014 so I'm pretty familiar with the joys of owning a hybrid and I'll never go back to a car that isnt one. Never had a single issues with it.



I'll be going for a test drive. Anyone know how I might recreate this issue on a test drive to see if it exists in the vehicle I am considering?



I'm not overly worried but after reading through the forums who knows. Obviously the most pissed off people post as much as possible and there seems to be a very small group of people making a lot of noise about the jerking/chugging issue.
 

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Which issue are you talking about? As far as I can determine, there are three reported issues that meet your description.

One is lurching at speed. This can be caused by a malfunctioning engine clutch, usually because the small volume of hydraulic fluid is contaminated. This is why this car has an unusual maintenance item of flushing and replacing the clutch fluid at 22,500 miles. Reports on forums are not necessarily followed through, but some high mileage owners in countries where the dealers didn't know about the clutch service experienced this issue and we presume that was hydraulic fluid related.

Another cause can be malfunctioning (defective) injectors. This is particularly hard to track down as it doesn't throw error codes.

Finally, delayed acceleration from a full stop is often described as lurching. Using sport mode when a fast start is desired (turning into or crossing traffic) solves that. When I first go the car, this was a bit disconcerting but rather than start mode I made my move a half second early. After some 14,000 miles, I have learned about some brake behavior affecting this. If you press on the brake hard during or after a stop, you will experience this slight launch display. But if you brake lightly, or release the brake and creep a few inches and apply brakes lightly, it will now launch normally.

If you experience lurching at speed during a test drive, I'd pass on buying the car unless it gets definitively fixed first. There were a number of 2107 cars affected but I'm not sure why or if it was the clutch or some software issues. Haven't read about it for late 2017s (check the date your car was made) or 2018s on Niro or Ioniq forums.
 

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Jeff I don't know about the prices in Canada but I would be hesitant about buying the first model year of any car. Is the price difference that great between the used 2017 your looking at and a new 2018. Is there rebates in Canada for a new one? The issues your talking about seem to be mostly connected to 2017 models if I'm not mistaken. My 2018 Niro replaced my 2012 Prius and I can tell you I'm very happy with the Niro. It even gets a few more mpg's than the Prius. Although the Niro has a few more maintaince items than you might be used to with the Prius. One is the for mentioned Dual Clutch fluid change and also the Niro has engine drive belts that need to be changed. Good luck with your quest.
 

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Also, the Touring edition will not get as good MPGs as the Prius. Mine (now with 25000 miles) is right around 47 mpg overall. I do drive a lot of highway miles, though.
 

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Is the price difference that great between the used 2017 your looking at and a new 2018.

The difference is 15,000$ which clearly is a lot. Which is why i was pretty keen on it considering it has full warranty until 100km and June of 2022.
 

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2018 model here. Kinks must have been worked out by the time the 2018 hit the streets. Presume 2019 even more so. Brand new from scratch cars don't come around very often so there's going to be kinks. Add in the massive leap in tech and that's a double whammy. There have been recalls on the 2017s to address several of these things, so between that and software upgrades, the 2017 kinks will get worked out too.
 

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The difference is 15,000$ which clearly is a lot. Which is why i was pretty keen on it considering it has full warranty until 100km and June of 2022.

Hi Jeff, Is it the 2017 Ocean Blue in Samcoe Ont ?


Make shure you request that all Recals and service bulletin are made on the vehicule and ask for a GPS update (it's chargable at Kia dealer). the car seems clean. too bad there are no extended warranty on it.


For a 10.000$ difference between a fresh 2018-19 SX model to a SX 2017, it's a good deal.! ;)
 

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Hi Jeff, Is it the 2017 Ocean Blue in Samcoe Ont ?

;)

Thats the one. Its going to the Kia dealer next week for all the updates and the salesman is getting back to me then.


Biggest problem is I cant test drive it as I live 3 hours away.



It is a good deal. Maybe too good?
 

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One last demerit for a 2017, it does not have LKAS. Admittedly, the 2018's have one of the worst systems out there, but if it saves your life just once... I'd venture a guess that in two years, it will be standard on all cars or mandated by law.
 

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Good to know. I thought it had it. I have to say once you’ve had precollision and it saves your ass once you won’t go back. That’s the case for me. 3 times my Prius has saved my car from a collision, and I will not even consider a car without some sort of precollision autonomous breaking.
 
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