[AkronDave]

Is there any reason except fuel mileage. Let's say in the usa taking these actual facts.detail
1= driver in the NIRO with ac on or windows open he is slower ..
2=2 or more people in the niro
Same logic as above.
With the hybrid these are major safety issues and I can easily go into more detail.

Safety? 😂 I had new 2018 Santa Fe Sport which ran out of steam easily when freeways got close to mountains. We repaced it with a ‘21 Sportage AWD. It was was a LITTLE gutsier. I never read anything where any reviewer ever called either one less than safe because of power! Even so, our ‘23 Niro is quicker and more capable than either of them, regardless of which mode it’s in.

And I am in the camp that finds that Sport mode DOES give the ‘23 HEV noticeably more OOMPH. Look- I have a sports car to drive when I want a sports car. Yes, it’s a bit quicker than the Niro. However, we got the Niro for entirely different purposes, yet were pleasantly surprised at just how quick it IS.
I’ve owned a lot of vehicles in my lifetime, and the Niro is faster than most of them. The car is fine.

 

[SDeemer]

Interesting that there have been a couple comments implying the Niro makes more power in Sport mode. It doesn't. Sport mode remaps throttle response, and make gears hold longer before downshifting. The same acceleration profile can be reached with a deeper press on accelerator.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have had this argument with so many people who believe their Niro has more power because it's more responsive. Last year I did a series of timed 0-60 runs from a dead stop on a country road (so there was little to no traffic, or law enforcement). 3 runs in Eco mode, 3 runs in Sport mode. When averaged, there was no significant difference.
See: https://www.kianiroforum.com/thread...-to-the-kia-niro-family-–-seeking-your-advice.12734/?post_id=125596#post-125596

 

[Griswald]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have had this argument with so many people who believe their Niro has more power because it's more responsive. Last year I did a series of timed 0-60 runs from a dead stop on a country road (so there was little to no traffic, or law enforcement). 3 runs in Eco mode, 3 runs in Sport mode. When averaged, there was no significant difference.
See: https://www.kianiroforum.com/thread...-to-the-kia-niro-family-–-seeking-your-advice.12734/?post_id=125596#post-125596

You are correct...wide open throttle 0 to 60 runs will be the same, but that's not what Sport Mode is for.

Try this test...in eco mode, start out as you normally would, up to normal traffic speed. At 10 mph, move the lever to Sport Mode without moving your foot on the accelerator. There will be a huge difference in pick up speed...with no more input on your part.

 

[AkronDave]

Is there any reason except fuel mileage. Let's say in the usa taking these actual facts.detail
1= driver in the NIRO with ac on or windows open he is slower ..
2=2 or more people in the niro
Same logic as above.
With the hybrid these are major safety issues and I can easily go into more detail.

I just ran across a CurbsideClassic.com review of the 1963 Chevy Biscayne with the optional 283 V8 with a 3-spd manual trans. It had received a perkier cam and a horsepower bump that year, and was considered a lightweight, “quick” car at the time. It did 0-60 in 10.7 seconds. And yes, there were plenty of freeways back then, too!
-That’s a V8, folks.
When Motor Trend tested the new 2023 Niro HEV, its 0-60 time was 9.1 seconds. My Niro is faster than a Chevy 283. I can live with that!

 

[Scona]

Is there any reason except fuel mileage. Let's say in the usa taking these actual facts.detail
1= driver in the NIRO with ac on or windows open he is slower ..
2=2 or more people in the niro
Same logic as above.
With the hybrid these are major safety issues and I can easily go into more detail.

You need to look no farther than the Niro EV if your desire is for more power. As many of us did.

 

[SDeemer]

You are correct...wide open throttle 0 to 60 runs will be the same, but that's not what Sport Mode is for.

Try this test...in eco mode, start out as you normally would, up to normal traffic speed. At 10 mph, move the lever to Sport Mode without moving your foot on the accelerator. There will be a huge difference in pick up speed...with no more input on your part.

The engine still isn't making any more power. I stand by my comments.

Sport mode makes driving a Niro HEV slightly more fun on mountain roads in part by reducing power steering assistance and changing shift points, but "more power" is an illusion, mainly for the reasons cited by yticovlev:

"Sport mode remaps throttle response, and make gears hold longer before downshifting. The same acceleration profile can be reached with a deeper press on accelerator."

People are free to drive these cars however they want.

 

[SailDesign]

I just ran across a CurbsideClassic.com review of the 1963 Chevy Biscayne with the optional 283 V8 with a 3-spd manual trans. It had received a perkier cam and a horsepower bump that year, and was considered a lightweight, “quick” car at the time. It did 0-60 in 10.7 seconds. And yes, there were plenty of freeways back then, too!
-That’s a V8, folks.
When Motor Trend tested the new 2023 Niro HEV, its 0-60 time was 9.1 seconds. My Niro is faster than a Chevy 283. I can live with that!

I had a similar "thing" when people called my Yaris (2007) slow. Yes, it only had 101hp, but that was more than an MGB, and the Yaris was lighter, had better suspension, better tyres, AND had AC....

So I drove it as I would have driven an MGB.

 

[Griswald]

The engine still isn't making any more power. I stand by my comments.

Sport mode makes driving a Niro HEV slightly more fun on mountain roads in part by reducing power steering assistance and changing shift points, but "more power" is an illusion, mainly for the reasons cited by yticovlev:

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People are free to drive these cars however they want.

The engine is absolutely making more power, otherwise the car wouldn't accelerate faster.
It's only making more power at the useable rpm, most likely through ignition timing and fuel delivery, but to say it isn't making more power is wrong. Physics is never wrong.

 

[atc98092]

The engine is absolutely making more power, otherwise the car wouldn't accelerate faster.

The engine is not making any additional power. Sport mode remaps the throttle, so it's pressing the engine harder for a given amount of throttle travel. If it was making more power, then the 0-60 time would be faster in Sport mode vs. Eco. But it doesn't make any measurable change in 0-60 time.

 

[SailDesign]

The engine is not making any additional power. Sport mode remaps the throttle, so it's pressing the engine harder for a given amount of throttle travel. If it was making more power, then the 0-60 time would be faster in Sport mode vs. Eco. But it doesn't make any measurable change in 0-60 time.

ATC,you are both arguing the same point, really. No, the engine is no more powerful than in eco mode, but it is being "manipulated" electronically to produce more power for that throttle position, and to use the gears to provide more torque at that speed.

It is, really, the same as using spurs on a horse. The animal is no more powerful than it was, but it will apply that power in a different manner for sure.

Now - can we get back to arguing about why this is or isn't a "safety" issue, please?

 

[SDeemer]

It is, really, the same as using spurs on a horse. The animal is no more powerful than it was, but it will apply that power in a different manner for sure.

Good analogy

 

[yticolev]

It is, really, the same as using spurs on a horse. The animal is no more powerful than it was, but it will apply that power in a different manner for sure.

Actually, I disagree. Animals (including humans) have reserves of power seldom tapped. Applying pain or incentives will in fact produce more power. Consider anecdotes of mothers deadlifting cars whose failing jacks have caused the cars to fall on their children. Of course, adrenaline increases power or strength.

Using spurs on horses is perhaps better compared to adding nitromethane fuel in dragsters (or adrenaline in humans), they increase speed or power using the same "engine".

 

[91cavgt]

The Niro has plenty of power to move!! 108 mph is where the limiter kicked in on my old 2018 HEV.

 

[wjstickel]

I am interested, please go into more detail.

 

[Rumplestiltskin]

Interesting that there have been a couple comments implying the Niro makes more power in Sport mode. It doesn't. Sport mode remaps throttle response, and make gears hold longer before downshifting. The same acceleration profile can be reached with a deeper press on accelerator.

I once drove a Corvette (circa 1980) for my boss. A minuscule press on the accelerator cause the car to jump. Very unpleasant to drive in the city, but that is what accelerator mapping to appear more powerful and/or responsive gets you: nothing. That said, the Niro Sports mode doesn't change the accelerator mapping as far as to call it unpleasant to drive, just not much point to it, and it is less efficient.

I think you meant "before upshifting".😁