[jford53593]

Cool, so they did boost the on-board charger to 48 amp. That's what my Bolt has, but as I mentioned I only have a 40 amp EVSE. And if you notice on the chart you provided once you go above 40 amps your EVSE has to be hard wired. There are one or two 48 amp units that still have a plug, but it's not per code, so it's best to just hard wire them.

If someone already has a 40 amp EVSE, I personally don't feel the need for the slight increase in charging speed to move to a 48 amp unit. Cost jumps as you increase the speed, so look at what one really needs. I would be fine with a 16 amp EVSE on most days, but I'm happy with my 40 amp unit.

So, your dealer is mostly correct. Yes, it can handle 40 amps. But it can actually handle 48 amps, so I'm only giving the dealer half points.

I’m going to go with plug-in and 40 amps. 30 mile range per hour is good for me.

 

[Steve8838]

The 2023 models do not come with the charger cord. The dealer told me Kia was no longer adding them in.

That’s nuts for what they charge for the car. I have a 2019 and I’m pissed there’s no spare tire. I primarily use the level 1 that came with the car. A Level 2 was too expensive in that I’d have to add another electrical panel.

 

[forby]

Hi,

I recently bought a 2023 kia niro EV. But there is no onboard level1 charger. What charger is recommended for level 1 charging ?

thanks

You have to be a bit careful and know your plug type.

Kia used to come with a cheap 10amper, a 'normal' L1 is a 15amper and that can blow fuses in most apartments.
10amp is a normal plug but is very slow like 5 mile per hour charge. On a 200 mile EV that's 2 days.

I use a MEGEAR from amazon but it's a 16amper. (It's also dual voltage)

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[Signet7]

Playing devil's advocate here, but isn't an Electric vehicle that comes without a charging cord pretty similar to a ICE-engined vehicle coming without a can(or cans) of gasoline? Since without special equipment the Electric vehicle cannot reasonably be operated from only that charging cord, just as the ICE vehicle cannot reasonably be operated only from a supply of gasoline cans? Not quite apples and apples, but in both cases, to get full use of your vehicle, it is expected you will be refueling at service stations for much/most of your travels.

 

[forby]

Well it's like why don't Apples come with charging plugs anymore...to save money.
I didn't say it makes sense, I just roll with it.

 

[Bill in Oregon]

My 2023 PHEV included a Level 1 charger. As suggested in one of the earlier responses, it was in the small lift-up trunk compartment in a black bag. Works great and has a selectable amperage output.

 

[atc98092]

I would have been shocked if the PHEV didn't come with one. It makes the PHEV far less practical a choice if it isn't easy to charge.

 

[vangone]

@atc98092 Dan, nice pun! It also doesn’t make sense for KIA not to include a charger with the 2023 Niro EVs. Did the OP ever find the charger or contact the sales manager? Would be nice to get follow up from the OP.

 

[atc98092]

With EVs, the manufacturers appear to be thinking that every owner is going to have their own home EVSE, so why provide one? Tesla has stopped providing them. Now Kia (which makes me think Hyundai is probably doing the same). I haven’t heard of any others, but then I’m not watching other brands too closely, other than the Bolt. So far GM is still providing an EVSE, and the EUV comes with a dual voltage 32 amp unit (it’s an extra cost option on the EV).

 

[Academiguy]

I can confirm, I was surprised and disappointed when I picked up my new 2023 Niro EV yesterday, at a dealer in metro Detroit, that no EVSE was included. It looks like a portable one would fit nicely in the frunk, but right now there’s just an empty space there…

 

[jford53593]

I ended up buying one from Amazon
Lectron is what I bought.

 

[vangone]

I ended up buying one from Amazon
Lectron is what I bought.

Which model Lectron did you buy?

 

[15374]

The 23 EV came with V2L adapter, and no portable charge cable. The V2L adapter is pretty neat and I was playing around with the other day. First I tried a trouble light in the garage, then I tried charging a lawn tractor battery with the V2L adapter for just a minute or two for a test. It worked great. I'm trying to think of all the possibilities.

But the dealer was dumbfounded. He said the V2L adater was the charger and I probably had to go to the home store and buy an extension cord to make it work. The fool.

For my portables, I bought a cheaper LVL 1/2 from Amazon then went up to the orange home store and bought the NEMA plug ends and made my own adapters. I got about $200 invested in that portable. No lost sleep if someone steals it, and I use it on my "other brand" PHEV.

For my second potable, I know "Dan the Bolt guy" said stay away from the Mustart portable, but I had good luck so far with that one. The different NEMA adapters are available pre-made, and it seems to be a more robust connector. It costs way more, but so far satisfied.

For the garage, my choice was a company in CA. They seemed to be the most helpful and you could actually talk to someone on the phone. Prices were good too. The first thing I didn't want is an expensive internet connected charger in the garage when I can get all that info from the car or my cell phone. I just wanted a top quality charger.

ClipperCreek, America's Most Popular EV Charging Station

Lastly, I just scored a Tesla Tap for a super low price on "Flea-bay". I'll post a link from Amozon but I paid less than half. There seems to be a couple more Tesla Destination charger available around. Plus, I see Tesla owners using the J1772 plug with their adapters at the mall. So now they can look down their noses at me when my lowly Kia is using one of "their" chargers.

https://www.amazon.com/TeslaTap-Mini-J-1772-Adapter-TTMINI80/dp/B098BLLS/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3P9QFMHPWAU0T&keywords=tesla+tap&qid=1671506663&sprefix=tesla+tap%2Caps%2C162&sr=8-4

Oh, the fun we are going to have as we all fight for that last available charger.............

 

[rfilbey]

That’s nuts for what they charge for the car. I have a 2019 and I’m pissed there’s no spare tire. I primarily use the level 1 that came with the car. A Level 2 was too expensive in that I’d have to add another electrical panel.

Like Steve, I had a 2020 Niro EV and used the LV1 charger for the first few months until I got the electric upgraded and purchased at LV2. I have used the LV1 occasionally when visiting friends. I am in the midst of trading the 2020 in for the 2023 and 'am shocked there is no LV1 included.

 

[rfilbey]

Like Steve, I had a 2020 Niro EV and used the LV1 charger for the first few months until I got the electric upgraded and purchased at LV2. I have used the LV1 occasionally when visiting friends. I am in the midst of trading the 2020 in for the 2023 and 'am shocked there is no LV1 included.

The dealer selling me the 2023 said that I could keep the LV1 charger from the 2020 that I was trading in. (I just need it for backup.)

 

[atc98092]

Many cars (not just EVs) are leaving out spare tires for a couple of reasons. One is weight, as reducing weight improves overall efficiency. The other is mainly cost. They aren't providing the spare tire, wheel and jack, so saves them money. Not that it reduces the price of the car, it's for their pocketbook.

 

[atc98092]

Adding a Level 2 EVSE doesn't have to be expensive. Almost any home can add a 20 amp circuit to their existing panel, and that provides 16 amps of Level 2 charging. And for most drivers, an overnight charging session will easily fill the battery at that power level. 40+ amp circuits aren't a requirement, except perhaps for someone that drives for Uber/Lyft and needs to charge as quickly as possible.

 

[trijohnmc]

The 2023 models do not come with the charger cord. The dealer told me Kia was no longer adding them in.

We bought a 2023 Niro Wave in September 2023 and it came with the 120V charging cable.

 

[Techy]

A level 1 charger is not going to be more than an emergency thing - 45 hours to charge is just not feasible.
The level 1 charging cable comes with all 2023 - 2024 Niro EV's in Canada.

 

[trijohnmc]

We bought a 2023 Niro Wave in September 2023 and it came with the 120V charging cable.

A level 1 charger is not going to be more than an emergency thing - 45 hours to charge is just not feasible.
The level 1 charging cable comes with all 2023 - 2024 Niro EV's in Canada.

Yeah, we are waiting for an electrician to come and install a 220 volt line in our house. For now she charges it at the parking ramp near where she works in Buffalo NY. I just hook it up overnight to add a few miles. We are getting a Nema 6-50 receptacle. I decided not to get the Nema 14-50 outlet since we don't need the120 volt for any appliances.
Can I use the cable that came with the car?